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		<title>Dr. Christakis&#8217; Reply</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Miriam Gordon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Nicholas Christakis generously took the time to explain his study on the spread of obesity through social networks personally. I have posted his explanations, and my own further observations, in this entry.<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fatscience.wordpress.com&blog=4388213&post=80&subd=fatscience&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>It has taken me several weeks to post this reply, which Dr. Christakis sent almost immediately after I sent him my email (see previous entry entitled &#8220;An Email to Dr. Nicholas Christakis&#8221;). During this time I&#8217;ve had the opportunity to learn and think more about Dr. Christakis&#8217; work, and was not shocked to discover that my knee jerk response to his <a href="http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/357/4/370" target="_blank">NEJM article on the spread of obesity through social networks</a> was premature. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/26/health/26fat.html?scp=8&amp;sq=christakis&amp;st=cse" target="_blank">However, I was far from alone in this reaction</a>.<span id="more-80"></span></p>
<p>He asked that I post his response verbatim:</p>
<p><em>Dear Ms. Gordon:</em></p>
<div><em>Thank you for your thoughtful and heartfelt note.  I suppose the first thing I should say is that any study of the world will involve exceptions.  Hence, even if (for the moment) we grant that our analyses are correct and, what is more, that our speculation about the cause of the apparent spread of obesity (namely, that there is a spread of norms regarding the acceptability of being overweight) is also correct, this would not mean that there might not be many cases, such as yours, that did not fit this rule.</em></div>
<div><em>Our general point is that, on average (albeit not in every case), people will be influenced by the weight status of those around them.  In a way, your attempts to lose weight fit that bill, since you appear to have been (at least in part) influenced by the weight behaviors of those around you.  An overlooked fact about our work is that we showed that both weight gain and weight loss spread in social networks; the reasons that weight gain predominates has to do with the other driving factors present in our environment that cause weight gain to begin with.  In other words, something else starts the &#8216;epidemic&#8217; and then the social network takes over, <strong>since networks have this interesting property of tending to magnify whatever they are seeded with</strong> (if you have the time, you might want to watch video # 2 at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/video.html" target="_blank">http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/video.html</a> )</em></div>
<div><em>I should also stress that we did not claim in our study to find &#8216;the&#8217; cause of the obesity epidemic, but rather one contributing factor. While genes (as illustrated by a family history) no doubt play an important role in determining a person&#8217;s body size, there is no way to blame the undeniable rise in average weight of Americans over the past three decades on genes; surely the explanatory factor is environmental since genes do not change on this time scale (although, incidentally, I do not preclude genetic change over longer time scales &#8212; see: &#8220;Medicine Can Change Our Genes&#8221; at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/bmj.html" target="_blank">http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/bmj.html</a> ).  These factors contributing to a rise in caloric intake and decline in calorie burning are numerous, and well known.</em></div>
<div><em>Finally, I should note that our work was much misunderstood in some quarters as somehow justifying prejudice, which I entirely renounce.</em></div>
<div><em>Again, thanks for taking the time to write.</em></div>
<div><em>Best,</em></div>
<div><em>Nicholas Christakis</em></div>
<p>What I learned from my correspondence with Dr. Christakis and a review of some of his vast trove of publications was that what had originally motivated him to study how feelings/perceptions spread through social networks was his work with terminally ill patients, which served as his initiation into clinical medicine. Through his interactions with these patients and their families, he understandably became concerned with the feelings of the family members and how it affected them and their social networks in turn.</p>
<p>I was surprised that as a Sociologist, Dr. Christakis would have been taken aback at the overwhelming attention received by his obesity study. Surely he must have been aware of the hair trigger emotions surrounding obesity in our society. It then occurred to me that perhaps, due to his initiation by fire into what must be one of the most difficult fields a physician can choose (end-of-life care), his attempt to approach the spreading of emotions through social networks through mathematics and statistics took him a step back from what must have been a very potent emotional experience. I felt that there was a certain detachment in the quantitative work involved in these analyses.<br />
When I posited this to him, he explained:</p>
<div><em>As for the balance of qualitative and quantitative work: it is always a struggle.  And while it is true that dealing directly with people who are suffering from terminal illness can be as demanding as it is rewarding, it is also true that the ostensibly antiseptic, quantitative analysis of death and dying can also be very dispiriting.  Spending a day looking at survival curves of people, real people, who have died, often very quickly, can be almost as depressing.  I spent a good many years making a quantitative study of end-of-life care, and how to improve it, as you can see from the following lists of papers:</em></div>
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<div><em><a rel="nofollow" href="http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/pubs/pub-eolc.html" target="_blank">http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/pubs/pub-eolc.html</a></em></div>
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<div><em><a rel="nofollow" href="http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/pubs/pub-hc.html" target="_blank">http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/pubs/pub-hc.html</a></em></div>
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<div><em>again, thanks for writing.</em></div>
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<div><em>best,</em></div>
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<div><em>nicholas</em></div>
<p>Dr. Christakis is not primarily studying the &#8220;obesity epidemic&#8221; but rather how social networks work.</p>
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		<title>An Email to Dr. Nicholas Christakis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Miriam Gordon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Nicholas Christakis of Harvard University published a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine about the effect of social networks on the prevalence of obesity in our society. This is my reaction to the study.<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fatscience.wordpress.com&blog=4388213&post=73&subd=fatscience&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>In 2007, <a href="http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pages/video.html" target="_blank">Dr. Nicholas Christakis</a>, a medical sociologist at Harvard University, published a <a href="http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/pdfs/078.pdf" target="_blank">study</a> in the New England Journal of Medicine on the effect of social networks on the prevalence of obesity. I recently came across this study online, through links in a post by a friend, and revisited the results of the study. You can view a 3-minute interview with Dr. Christakis about his study and findings <a href="http://hms.harvard.edu/public/video/obesity.mov" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>After watching this interview and looking over Dr. Christakis&#8217; website, I composed this email to him:<span id="more-73"></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Dear Dr. Christakis,</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">When your paper came out in NEJM in 2007, I was participating in a <span class="yshortcuts">weight loss program</span> at St. Luke&#8217;s (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nyorc.org/" target="_blank"><span class="yshortcuts">NYORC</span></a>). I remember our group leader, Rich Weil, presenting your findings to us. From what I recall, he seemed to have no opinion on it one way or another, but I don&#8217;t really remember.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I participated in the group for 2.5 years, and left it this past summer in disgust. I had lost about 12 lbs during the first year, and gained it back over the course of that time. I started and ended at around 225 lbs. I&#8217;m a 5&#8242;5&#8243; 45 year old female. I have repeatedly, over the course of my life, even as a little girl, tried to lose weight. I was maybe 10-20% overweight as a child and young adult, but once I hit my early 30s, I hit 200 lbs. for the first time. After reaching 225 for the first time, I joined <span class="yshortcuts" style="border-bottom:1px dashed #0066cc;cursor:pointer;">Overeaters Anonymous</span> and became &#8220;abstinent&#8221; (from all <span class="yshortcuts" style="border-bottom:medium none;background:transparent none repeat scroll 0 0;cursor:pointer;">refined sugar</span>, flour and wheat), and lost 60 lbs. I maintained my abstinence but still gained back about 10 lbs before falling off the wagon 5 years later and returning to 225. I repeated this same cycle, fell off the wagon again after 5 years, and again went up to 225. It was at this point that I said &#8211; ENOUGH.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I have a Ph.D. in Developmental and <span class="yshortcuts">Molecular Biology</span> from Einstein (2001), so I try to follow the basic science literature on obesity. I&#8217;m also very interested in sociology and the impact of scientific communications on society &#8211; something which attracted me to your research.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I just viewed, online, <a href="http://hms.harvard.edu/public/video/obesity.mov" target="_blank">the 3 minute interview with you about your paper</a>, and I must admit that your reported findings don&#8217;t sit well with me at all. I have always battled my weight but felt that I have always been surrounded by (and shamed by) thinner people. I would classify myself as middle class, from a <span class="yshortcuts" style="border-bottom:medium none;background:transparent none repeat scroll 0 0;cursor:pointer;">middle class background</span>. My mother was never obese &#8211; in fact, there was not one obese person on her side of the family, going back 3 generations. My Dad was overweight and his brother was obese for most of his adult life. I have one sister, 3 years younger than I (we share both parents and are not stepsisters), who has never had a weight problem. Most of my classmates, fellow students and colleagues throughout my life were thin.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I think the social pressure is very much the opposite of obese people influencing those closest to them to be obese &#8211; I think its very much the other way around. And this pressure does nothing except force obese people to try everything and anything to maintain completely unsustainable weight loss. Your reported findings vilify obese people, by implying that it is desirable to shun them to maintain ones health. Obese individuals in western society already carry a huge social burden of great shame. I don&#8217;t appreciate the implications of your findings one bit.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">From a brief review of your website, I understand that you make heavy use of <span class="yshortcuts">mathematical models</span> to support your conclusions.  The current state of the economy should be much more than enough to demonstrate to you that the maxim &#8220;lies, damn lies, and statistics&#8221; has never been so relevant. You&#8217;re a sociologist &#8211; get out of your lab, your ivory tower, and talk to people on the ground, for G-d&#8217;s sake.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><span style="color:#000000;">It will be interesting to see if Dr. Christakis responds to my email and what he has to say. If I do get a response, I will report the gist of it.</span><br />
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